Rocío de Meer, Vox national deputy: “Relations with Morocco are one of submission”

Rocío de Meer, Vox national deputy: "Relations with Morocco are one of submission"

This Saturday, the national deputy of Vox, Rocío de Meer, participated in Melilla in the second day of the Observatory of the Nation under the title ‘Security, immigration and hybrid war in Ceuta and Melilla’. The political analyst, Rubén Pulido, also took part in this event. Through several round tables, the impact of the phenomenon of illegal immigration on the demographic, economic, social and especially the security of Ceuta and Melilla was analysed, seeking to facilitate strategies that allow controlling this process, guaranteeing the security of citizens and avoiding the collapse of healthcare caused by the migratory pressure that these cities are currently experiencing. At just 34 years old, Rocío de Meer is one of the most prominent politicians on the national scene, becoming the ‘scourge’ of Pedro Sánchez. Hours before the start of the day we spoke with politician Rocío de Meer to find out how her party views some of the most pressing problems in our city, but also to find out how they perceive the current climate, both in national and international politics. – Could you explain the central theme of the second day of the Observatory of the Nation entitled, ‘Security, immigration and hybrid war in Ceuta and Melilla? -This is an initiative of the Denaes Foundation to which I have been invited along with people I love and admire very much such as Samuel Vázquez, Rubén Pulido or Iván Vélez, and I will participate very gratefully and with all my affection. It is always a pleasure to participate in initiatives that consist of opening our mouths so that others open their eyes when the political, media and cultural climate tries to muzzle us in the face of obvious truths. -Choosing the cities of Ceuta and Melilla is no coincidence. How do you assess the central government’s handling of migration in the case of Melilla? -The choice of Ceuta and Melilla is obviously very significant when we talk about migratory invasion. If there are two very symbolic places because they are threatened, because they are territorially in historically compromised enclaves and because they have been absolutely abandoned by successive governments in recent years, those are the two very Spanish cities in North Africa that we will certainly never give up on. – The people of Melilla have the feeling that Spain is being held hostage by Morocco. What is your perception? -Literally that one. Spain is a hostage of Morocco. It is not just an impression. It is a proven fact, visible to anyone who analyses the international relations of the Kingdom of Spain with a minimum of critical sense. These are relations of submission, of investments and million-dollar payments and concessions to those who offend, not only symbolically, but who build their relations, forces and alliances with the objective of achieving that dream of the Great Morocco of Mohamed VI that would only end with the supposed conquest of Ceuta, Melilla and the Canary Islands. The objective of the party of the King of Morocco necessarily involves violating Spanish territorial integrity. Of course, there are those of us who think that this is intolerable, that the integrity and Spain’s sovereignty is not anyone’s cardbut rather they are a collective heritage of the Spanish people that we have the obligation to defend to the last consequences. But saying that almost seems old-fashioned, from when people put their bodies on the line to defend what they knew was superior to themselves. We are lucky to live as heirs to a nation that has amazed the world, a free civilization that is built by caring for others, for our neighbors, for our compatriots. And that civilization clashes with those cultures in which human dignity is not the same depending on your sex or your religion. And no, we are not willing to remain silent in the face of what our eyes see. No matter what happens. -From this city we also get the impression that Melilla, not only under this government, but also under previous ones, has been abandoned by Madrid. Is this a mistaken impression? It is not. I don’t know if it is in Madrid, Brussels or Rabat, but I am convinced that someone has already sold Ceuta, Melilla and the Canary Islands. The abandonment cannot be explained except by an express surrender. -We always say that Melilla is the great unknown of the peninsula. However, there is no such perception of territories such as the Canary Islands. What do you think is the reason for this distance, not only physical, but emotional, of the Spanish from Melilla? -Well, I think that in all the small or poorly looked after provinces I have been to (starting with my own, Almería), they say that it is ‘the great unknown’ or ‘the great abandoned’. Which, above all, is proof that not all Spaniards are the same. If you belong to a loyal province, without separatist movements that extort you, you will be penalised in terms of investments, privileges and political care. And that happens with many abandoned places in Spain. As they say in Granada, ‘if you don’t cry in Catalan, you don’t suck’, to pay the 15 billion euros that the Government has committed to forgive the debt of the separatists in Catalonia, that is 15 billion euros that are not invested in improving our hospitals in Badajoz, improving our schools in León or improving public services in Melilla. They are payments in exchange for political favors because no, not all Spaniards are equal for the Government, even if it says so on paper and even if that paper is as important as the Constitution. -On Wednesday, the Minister of Territorial Policy visited the city and held a meeting with local authorities to discuss issues affecting Melilla. A few weeks ago, the Minister of Health, Mónica García, also visited the city. Not in vain, health is one of the serious problems in Melilla. What conclusions have you drawn from these meetings? -I have not followed the agenda of both ministers, but I do know that this Government has been in power for seven years and public health in Melilla is worse than ever. The doctor-patient ratio is unsustainable, health professionals have unbearable precarious conditions and they leave as soon as there is a transfer competition, the lack of specialists, the general collapse… The minister in Congress excuses herself for everything that goes wrong every week because when asked about everything she says that “it is the responsibility of the autonomous community”. Well, health care in Melilla is the direct responsibility of your ministry and the citizens of Melilla are third-class citizens in terms of health care, among other things, because of you. -It is said that Melilla is a subsidized city and this is true, since the business fabric of the city is in deficit and the tourism sector, although it is improving, does not reach the quotas to be considered a major tourist destination. What measures do you think could be adopted to make the Melilla economy more buoyant? -I am not an expert on Melilla’s economy, but there are certainly many pending challenges if there were political will to take Melilla off the ground and guarantee its sovereignty, prosperity and freedom. To begin with, in the case of marine aquaculture and fishing, Melilla has immense potential, but a very mistreated and uncompetitive fishing fleet and a central government that does not impose itself in relation to territorial waters or agreements and access to fishing grounds that could benefit Melilla. We must also take seriously the scarcity of basic resources for the development of any economic sector such as the supply of water and energy and what damages its capacity to develop a specialization in the primary sector or an industrial capacity. The big issue that reduces competitiveness is the comparative grievance of the EU’s preferential agreements with Morocco, which is something that the central government, which seems to be in Brussels to receive orders, even if these harm us, and not to fight for what benefits the Spanish people, must fight for. We could also refer to tourism, which certainly has room for improvement because Melilla is a beautiful city in Spain in a privileged location and with a port capable of attracting cruise routes or expanding and improving the hotel offering. If you want, you can. Many small cities or islands in strategic enclaves around the world have come to have economies that overflow. And why not Melilla? “Le Pen’s victory opens the way for those of us who want to regain control of our homelands” -How does Vox assess Le Pen’s rise in France? -The progress of the RN in France is very good news, as is that of the other patriotic forces in Europe, which are a symptom of the fact that globalism is receding and a path is opening up, although still small and difficult but not impossible, for those of us who want to regain control over our countries and our lives. -Do you think these results could be repeated in Spain with Vox if elections are held at this time? -Hopefully. – Vox believes that this country will be differentiated by a period before and after Sánchez?Of course. In all areas, and in what affects Melilla most directly, which is relations with Morocco, this Government has done a lot of damage. Wherever you look, there is a hole in the wall. There are 850,000 Spaniards on waiting lists for an operation; 1 in 10 families cannot make ends meet; more than 12 million Spaniards are at risk of poverty; two and a half million Spaniards are in poverty even though they have a job (according to the latest data from EAPN); there are 840,000 young people unemployed. But the worst thing of all is that the Government’s energy is directed at covering up scoundrels by means of subsidies to the media oligopoly, buying journalists from TVE and colonising institutions and giving in to blackmail to stay in power. -What do you think about the Supreme Court’s decision not to grant amnesty to Puigdemont? The Supreme Court’s decision is the logical consequence of someone who has broken the law, who has stolen public money, who does not fit into an amnesty law that has been drafted with a disastrous legislative technique, in addition to being unworthy in moral and material terms.. That is to say, it was the logical consequence. And we see how in the end the Government has to face a few heroes who want to defend Justice and legality in Spain. A few who are willing to defend common sense, in this case judges, but as on so many other occasions in the history of Spain, it has been a few individuals who have defended the legality and dignity of Spain. -Regarding the General Council of the Judiciary, many Spaniards do not understand how the Spanish justice system can be independent since the majority groups elect the members that compose it. Does Vox advocate another kind of election? -That the judges elect the General Council of the Judiciary, which is the body that supervises the judges. Currently, politicians elect it and we think that this is an interference that affects judicial independence. -How do you see the current national political scenario? -Very bleak. It is the perfect example of how to do everything wrong. International relations; relations within Spain with its different regions; the impoverishment of the middle classes; the jeopardy of our integrity; the amnesty of crimes and the granting of privileges in exchange for votes and political favours; open borders and everything that entails in terms of insecurity and instability… -And how do you think Spanish society experiences this scenario? -With a lot of uncertainty, with a lot of weariness of the political class in general and with a lot of helplessness. – Can this country endure another Sánchez term?Spain has always been above its worst rulers, But if what this ruler is selling is the sovereignty and integrity of Spain, perhaps this time he will not be able to bear it.

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